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USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by riki » 31 May 2017 23:46

Hello, I have a NAS4Free system based on the AsRock C2750D4I motherboard. One issue I have with this board is the small number of USB sockets - just 2. This is relevant when I have to reinstall: I need to plug the keyboard and 2 usb sticks (the live source and the destination), total 3. No luck.

I thought of getting an USB3 PCIe card. However, I don't know much about hardware, so I got a card by Delock. Unfortunately, it can't be seen by BIOS/UEFI and of course it isn't available in NAS4Free - should I need to temporarily plug a USB3 disk.

So, my question: can you suggest a PCIe USB card (USB3 would be better, but I'd settle for USB2 too) that is known to work with my motherboard, and possibly that can be seen by NAS4Free later?

Thanks for any help!

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by ChriZathens » 01 Jun 2017 00:06

Why buy an extra card while you have IPMI?
You actually need only one usb port for the O/S usb stick and nothing more.
No keyboard, no monitor, no live usb stick.
Connect to IPMI, load the iso, install to the usb, done..
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

Backup Nas: HP N40L (4x1TB HP branded Seagate disks in RaidZ configuration - 8GB ECC RAM)

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by riki » 01 Jun 2017 00:24

Oh! IPMI console... never used it, ehm. How silly. :oops:
Solved by lateral thinking!! :D Thanks

Just for the sake of knowledge - and in case someone searching hits this page: I suspect at the moment there's no USB3 or USB2 card that can work in the context I said.

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by ChriZathens » 01 Jun 2017 11:14

In server administration, IPMI is the second best thing after coffee... :D

I am sure many decent usb2 cards would work. Usb3 used to be problematic, but we are at FreeBSD 11 now, so I suspect those are fine, too.
I haven't tested one myself, though...

I checked usb3 controllers on delock's site (http://www.delock.com/produkte/F_474_ep ... B-3-0.html) and 3-4 I looked have no support for FreeBSD
So, if you really want to use such a card at some point, you should check the FreeBSD compatibility list first
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by riki » 01 Jun 2017 12:26

Thanks for your continued help, ChriZathens!

My USB3 card (Delock based on Renesas chipset, I could find no model number) still appears not to work with Sayyadina. How would I go about testing?
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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by spy0r » 01 Jun 2017 12:33

I run that similar board C2550D4I and used one internal usb header for the "destination" stick for the OS. So i have left over one USB for the UPS and another eventually for the source usb stick if i have to reinstall anything and can't use ipmi for any case.
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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by ChriZathens » 01 Jun 2017 13:00

riki wrote: Thanks for your continued help, ChriZathens!

My USB3 card (Delock based on Renesas chipset, I could find no model number) still appears not to work with Sayyadina. How would I go about testing?
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I see in the down right corner that it has support for Windows and Linux kernel version 3.4. No FreeBSD.

P.S.: It must be this one on the website --> http://www.delock.com/produkte/F_319_US ... kmale.html

Judging from what I've seen on the website, Delock has no FreeBSD supported PCIE to USB3 adapters

Googling a bit lead me to this: https://www.ateamsystems.com/tech-blog/ ... cie-cards/
And an ebay search returned many results --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw= ... 9&_sacat=0
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

Backup Nas: HP N40L (4x1TB HP branded Seagate disks in RaidZ configuration - 8GB ECC RAM)

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by ChriZathens » 01 Jun 2017 13:04

spy0r wrote:
01 Jun 2017 12:33
I run that similar board C2550D4I and used one internal usb header for the "destination" stick for the OS. So i have left over one USB for the UPS and another eventually for the source usb stick if i have to reinstall anything and can't use ipmi for any case.
OK, so I assume, riki, that you have another usb onboard.. :)
spy0r, why can't you use IPMI..
For my SM boards, there are even iOS & android apps and can manage my servers with my smartphone.
But, obviously not for every task - I won't perform an installation using my smartphone...
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

Backup Nas: HP N40L (4x1TB HP branded Seagate disks in RaidZ configuration - 8GB ECC RAM)

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by spy0r » 01 Jun 2017 15:16

i can! but it's not bad to have an usb port accessible from the outside of the case!
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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by riki » 01 Jun 2017 17:02

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spy0r wrote:
01 Jun 2017 12:33
I run that similar board C2550D4I and used one internal usb header for the "destination" stick for the OS. So i have left over one USB for the UPS and another eventually for the source usb stick if i have to reinstall anything and can't use ipmi for any case.
An internal usb header... now that's really interesting. Nice tip, thanks spy0r! :D

I will do the same! But there's a small doubt: when you have to reinstall, can you switch the stick to boot from, or do you have to open the case to swap (source stick into internal slot, old system stick becomes destination)?
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01 Jun 2017 13:00
riki wrote: Image
P.S.: It must be this one on the website --> http://www.delock.com/produkte/F_319_US ... kmale.html

Judging from what I've seen on the website, Delock has no FreeBSD supported PCIE to USB3 adapters

Googling a bit lead me to this: https://www.ateamsystems.com/tech-blog/ ... cie-cards/
And an ebay search returned many results --> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw= ... 9&_sacat=0
Great detective work, ChriZathens. I'd like to have a "thumbs up" emoticon available ;)

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Post by spy0r » 01 Jun 2017 17:05

You have:
3 x USB 2.0 ports (2 rear ports + 1 via headers or 1 rear ports + 2 via headers controlled by USB_SEL1 and USB_SEL2 jumper)
Source: http://www.asrockrack.com/general/produ ... ifications


To your question, if you have to reinstall, you simply choose the correct stick in the "boot device manager". But have a look at IPMI and ISO-mounting, too!
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Post by doktornotor » 01 Jun 2017 17:44

riki wrote:
31 May 2017 23:46
One issue I have with this board is the small number of USB sockets - just 2. This is relevant when I have to reinstall: I need to plug the keyboard and 2 usb sticks (the live source and the destination), total 3. No luck.

Uhm... :shock: :o :ugeek:

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by ChriZathens » 01 Jun 2017 18:27

Duh... :lol: :lol:
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

Backup Nas: HP N40L (4x1TB HP branded Seagate disks in RaidZ configuration - 8GB ECC RAM)

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by riki » 01 Jun 2017 19:51

spy0r wrote:
01 Jun 2017 17:05
You have:
3 x USB 2.0 ports (2 rear ports + 1 via headers or 1 rear ports + 2 via headers controlled by USB_SEL1 and USB_SEL2 jumper)
Source: http://www.asrockrack.com/general/produ ... ifications

To your question, if you have to reinstall, you simply choose the correct stick in the "boot device manager". But have a look at IPMI and ISO-mounting, too!
Great! So I'll definitely heed your suggestion. Thanks a lot, spy0r!

doktornotor wrote:
01 Jun 2017 17:44
Uhm... :shock: :o :ugeek:
Ashamed.
To my partial excuse: I don't know much about hardware. Said so in first post.
Experts always say to steer clear of USB hubs, which give lots of problems.
I mostly (thought I) need the additional USB socket at boot, so relying on a hub could... ehm.
Ashamed. :oops:

ChriZathens wrote:
01 Jun 2017 18:27
Duh... :lol: :lol:
More shame. :? :cry: :oops:
Pity on me, please! Does anybody have a shovel so I can dig and hide underground?
(BTW, great detective work on the Delock & alternatives ;) )


P.S. OK, OK, maybe I deserved that :)
Thanks everyone, problem solved in 3-4 different ways!! _missing-thumbs-up-emoticon_

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Post by ChriZathens » 01 Jun 2017 20:51

My "Duh" post was actually targeted to myself, heh... :lol:
Nice that your problem is now solved :D
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

Backup Nas: HP N40L (4x1TB HP branded Seagate disks in RaidZ configuration - 8GB ECC RAM)

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Re: USB3/USB2 card for AsRock C2750D4I

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Post by sleid » 03 Jun 2017 18:50

For those who want to add 4 usb3 port on an astrock C2X50D4i there is this card.

http://silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=439&area=en

I use it on a C2550D4i in a case DS380 this gives me 4 port usb3 perfectly functional.

Regarding the C2X50D4i do not forget to put a small radiator on the 2 Marvell controllers, they are real heaters !!
12.1.0.4 - RC1 (revision 7007)
FreeBSD 12.1-RC1 #0 r353550M: Tue Oct 15 16:23:25 CEST 2019
X64-embedded sur Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU C2750 @ 2.40GHz Boot UEFI
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Post by riki » 03 Jun 2017 21:12

sleid wrote:
03 Jun 2017 18:50
Regarding the C2X50D4i do not forget to put a small radiator on the 2 Marvell controllers, they are real heaters !!
Confirmed 100%. One small fan pointed at the disks is not enough to keep them at sane temperatures. Two fans barely manage: there's still occasional overheating with high/sustained activity.

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Post by riki » 23 Jun 2017 13:28

riki wrote:
03 Jun 2017 21:12
sleid wrote:
03 Jun 2017 18:50
Regarding the C2X50D4i do not forget to put a small radiator on the 2 Marvell controllers, they are real heaters !!
Confirmed 100%. One small fan pointed at the disks is not enough to keep them at sane temperatures. Two fans barely manage: there's still occasional overheating with high/sustained activity.
Hello sleid, your advice was really sound.

I added 2 radiators indeed, as well as several fans. The unit still overheats when working continuously for some time (e.g., a backup exceeding 1-2 GB). It does contain 10 disks, but I haven't found a way to keep it cool. Any more suggestions? I made a new thread to keep things clean:
viewtopic.php?f=105&t=12596

If you have any idea, I would appreciate to hear it.

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