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Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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Hi everyone.

One of the reasons I bought the Supermicro X10SL7-F is because a lot of you have this motherboard.
So I'm sure someone has had this problem. System seemed to be getting hot. So I added 2 X 120 mm Fans

Specifically BeQuiet SILENT WINGS 3 120mm fans. Plugged them into the fan controller on the Motherboard.
Seem to power up ok! But then they started to spin up to high and then back down again over and over and over!
Not sure where to go from here. Fans kept spinning up and down even after XigmaNas booted up.

Pretty irritating listening to it pulse up and down, all the time.
Any suggestions??

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Re: Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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I have a different SM motherboard but seems to be a known issue with fan control. There are loads of posts in other places on suggestions and the cause. Essentially the MBs have duty cycles for the fans to be controlled by temperature but said control is quite coarse. Instead of going up and down with the temps, they ram the fans almost to full cycle when the temp goes up and viceversa.
It is to do with that rather than XN. Solutions go from using scripts and ipmi tool to bypassing MB and control fans with external fan controllers.
Also BIOS settings for duty cycles gives only moderate results depending on noise levels acceptance.
Just a google search for X10SL7 fan control will give you some idea.
Main: Xigmanas 11.2.0.4 x64-full-RootOnZFS as ESXi VM with 24GB memory.
Main Host: Supermicro X8DT3 Memory: 72GB ECC; 2 Xeon E5645 CPUs; Storage: (HBA) - LSI SAS 9211-4i with 3 SATA x 1 TB in raidZ1, 1 x 3 TB SAS drive as single stripe, 3 x 4 TB SAS drives in raidZ1.
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Re: Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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This looks like the fans are spinning on lower RPM than motherboard has as a lower limit.
Login to IPMI and check the RPM of the said fans and the lower limits set.
You can adjust those limits, so in your case set them lower and it should resolve the issue
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

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Re: Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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My experience with an X8 supermicro motherboard: No matter which setting on BIOS, the fans would be too noisy. Stock fans for that 2U case. No pulsating fans as per original post. Limits set by ipmitool were over-ridden by BIOS, as expected.
I bough replacement fans of lower speeds but still for supermicro cases, keeping an eye on temps. Same results, still too noisy. BIOS settings didn't make enough of a difference.
All scripts I found were for linux not freebsd so I couldn't meet software dependencies.
I ended up buying a 4U case, a fan controller, a cpu fan that would fit as there's not enough space for them on a 2U case. I have an eye out for a second cpu fan that fits. 3 noctua 120 mm fans controlled by fan controller that pulls air in from the front and pushes it over the CPUs and out. Then another two fans together on top of the case to push the warm air from the back out on top of the case.
Finally the noise is acceptable although not silent. Temps are reasonable too.
The short of it in my experience supermicro fans are a pain to tame and I had to use other means.
Mine is an X8 and the X10 might be better to "fix".
Main: Xigmanas 11.2.0.4 x64-full-RootOnZFS as ESXi VM with 24GB memory.
Main Host: Supermicro X8DT3 Memory: 72GB ECC; 2 Xeon E5645 CPUs; Storage: (HBA) - LSI SAS 9211-4i with 3 SATA x 1 TB in raidZ1, 1 x 3 TB SAS drive as single stripe, 3 x 4 TB SAS drives in raidZ1.
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Re: Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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Yeap, an older x8 I had been using had a few quirks regarding fan speed control. x9 and x10 are much better in this regard.
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

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Re: Supermicro X10SL7-F 2 X Fans Spinning up & down & up. BQ-SILENT WINGS 3

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I'm almost of the mind to buy a fan controller with a or a few temp sensors, to take over control of the 3 fans I've added to the case. Any recommendations with sensors ??? In the under $50-$70 price range would be preferable.

I mean I put $2000 worth of Hard drives in the beast so what's a few bucks more to keep them from overheating.

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The one I use is the noctua NA-FC1 with good results. Of course it bypasses the motherboard temperature control but given the problems I had to solve, that was the actual intention.
Main: Xigmanas 11.2.0.4 x64-full-RootOnZFS as ESXi VM with 24GB memory.
Main Host: Supermicro X8DT3 Memory: 72GB ECC; 2 Xeon E5645 CPUs; Storage: (HBA) - LSI SAS 9211-4i with 3 SATA x 1 TB in raidZ1, 1 x 3 TB SAS drive as single stripe, 3 x 4 TB SAS drives in raidZ1.
Spare1: HP DL360 G7; 6 GB ECC RAM; 1 Xeon CPU; 5 x 500 GB disks on H210i
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Thanks..
I just ordered one. Gave up on the notion of the fancy temp sensor, just too expensive.

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Do watch your temperatures, I'm sure you have it in mind but it won't hurt to say it. The external controller will bypass the thermal protections of the motherboard.
Especially with Noctuas that are almost silent, they don't provide the same amount of air through the fins of the cpu passive coolers, pulling cooler air from the front and cooling cpu, memory and other parts.
Main: Xigmanas 11.2.0.4 x64-full-RootOnZFS as ESXi VM with 24GB memory.
Main Host: Supermicro X8DT3 Memory: 72GB ECC; 2 Xeon E5645 CPUs; Storage: (HBA) - LSI SAS 9211-4i with 3 SATA x 1 TB in raidZ1, 1 x 3 TB SAS drive as single stripe, 3 x 4 TB SAS drives in raidZ1.
Spare1: HP DL360 G7; 6 GB ECC RAM; 1 Xeon CPU; 5 x 500 GB disks on H210i
Backup1: HP DL380 G7; 24 GB ECC RAM; 2 Xeon E5645 CPUs; 8 x 500 GB disks on IBM M1015 flashed to LSI9211-IT

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I’ve just put the two front fans on the fan controller and the system and the others on the motherboards. So far so good. CPU temps low 30-28 degrees Celsius.

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