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The most cost effective NAS

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Post by armandh » 28 Nov 2015 17:37

those with a computer hobby usually have old computers.
The most cost effective NAS is built with used equipment you already own.

it is the trade offs that become important in equipment selection.
let us start with the basics.

hardware retired due to unexplained BSOD or other flaky behavior is NOT a good choice. [Recycle]
hardware retired in a need for speed but otherwise 100% functional is a good choice. [Re-purpose]
memory testing is your friend, more memory is good. chip sets limited to little memory is NOT good.
[see next about power consumption]

of the cast off computers remaining
number of threads times speed and buss width
a slower dual core and/or HT may provide better results than a faster single core non HT.
of course 64 bit is preferred.
easy to cool large standard cases are offset by the ease which the N4F can be moved to another.
proprietary cased computers last only as long as a single critical but not reasonably available component.
boxes with proprietary power supply connection as an example of less desirable for the long run.

feel free to add suggestions
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4 thread 3300 Mhz Intel i3, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 7.823 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free 9.1.0.1 rev 573 [88 watts, 48 Mbps]
2 thread 1600 Mhz atom/ion, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 3.083 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free-9.1.0.1 rev 573 [27 watts, 35 Mbps]
2 thread 3900 Mhz AMD A6-6400K, 2 TB ZFS Mirror, available RAM 7.557 Gb, 64 bit Nas4Free 9.3.0.2.1771 [89 watts, 68 Mbps]

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Re: The most cost effective NAS

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Post by kenZ71 » 28 Nov 2015 19:47

I agree with one exception, power consumption with older hardware can be higher and therefore more expensive.

However the NAS i started with, or even have now, is not what I would build now.

The more I learn the more changes I think of. So I guess that means my advice is build your first with leftover parts then upgrade as needed.
11.2-RELEASE-p3 | ZFS Mirror - 2 x 8TB WD Red | 28GB ECC Ram
HP ML10v2 x64-embedded on Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4150 CPU @ 3.50GHz

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1) Unifi Controller on Ubuntu
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Re: The most cost effective NAS

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Post by armandh » 29 Nov 2015 03:55

too true; my first were P3 and P4 boxes, power hungry but great starter boxes.
Power hungry existing hardware running 24/7 can quickly make newly purchased or different choice of hardware a bargain.
$0.??/Kwh, use vs idle, spun down or turned off. lots of variables. under 100 watts at idle is favorable.
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4 thread 3300 Mhz Intel i3, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 7.823 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free 9.1.0.1 rev 573 [88 watts, 48 Mbps]
2 thread 1600 Mhz atom/ion, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 3.083 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free-9.1.0.1 rev 573 [27 watts, 35 Mbps]
2 thread 3900 Mhz AMD A6-6400K, 2 TB ZFS Mirror, available RAM 7.557 Gb, 64 bit Nas4Free 9.3.0.2.1771 [89 watts, 68 Mbps]

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Re: The most cost effective NAS

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Post by apollo567 » 29 Nov 2015 11:06

Well, how much is electric energy in the US ?
Me here in Germany it costs me around 30 Euro-Cent per KW/H
my NAS and its development until today: viewtopic.php?f=63&t=39&sid=039fed830cf ... 4d0abe4a04

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Post by armandh » 29 Nov 2015 14:15

winter rates vary across the country, generally higher in the east and western US except near hydro.
near the USA center, in the middle of pipeline, rail and barge hubs 0.08/kwh [USD]
the local investor owned utility uses a mixed source of nuke, hydro, and carbon

summer rates are higher to offset peak demand capital costs. [as I recall about 0.11/kwh]

prices shown do not include local taxes which vary by city [some none most have some]
my, the largest st Louis county city, has a tax of $0.0042454/kwh.
tax schemes vary. A previous location exempted a home's first meter
a second was presumed to be commercial use of some sort.
there are 90 different cities plus unincorporated areas in st lours county
one with an electrical systems predating the areas full electrification.
they buy power in bulk and re sell to the residents
the city of st Louis, which is its own county, is of course different too.

industrial rates have both a base rate and demand over base use metering
large short term demand gets expensive to offset utility capital costs.
and of course taxes.
4 thread 3300 Mhz Intel i3, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 7.823 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free 9.1.0.1 rev 573 [88 watts, 48 Mbps]
2 thread 1600 Mhz atom/ion, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 3.083 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free-9.1.0.1 rev 573 [27 watts, 35 Mbps]
2 thread 3900 Mhz AMD A6-6400K, 2 TB ZFS Mirror, available RAM 7.557 Gb, 64 bit Nas4Free 9.3.0.2.1771 [89 watts, 68 Mbps]

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Re: The most cost effective NAS

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Post by ChriZathens » 29 Nov 2015 17:12

IMHO, cost effective is a machine that besides money, it won't cost valuable data and valuable time.
In this regard, trying to create a server for storing precious data out of scrapyard parts, is not usually the best approach.
And if there is no other way, you can never have enough backup in order to be on the safe side...
My Nas
  1. Case: Fractal Design Define R2
  2. M/B: Supermicro x9scl-f
  3. CPU: Intel Celeron G1620
  4. RAM: 16GB DDR3 ECC (2 x Kingston KVR1333D3E9S/8G)
  5. PSU: Chieftec 850w 80+ modular
  6. Storage: 8x2TB HDDs in a RaidZ2 array ~ 10.1 TB usable disk space
  7. O/S: XigmaNAS 11.2.0.4.6625 -amd64 embedded
  8. Extra H/W: Dell Perc H310 SAS controller, crosflashed to LSI 9211-8i IT mode, 8GB Innodisk D150SV SATADOM for O/S

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Re: The most cost effective NAS

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Post by armandh » 29 Nov 2015 18:23

ChriZathens wrote:IMHO, cost effective is a machine that besides money, it won't cost valuable data and valuable time.
In this regard, trying to create a server for storing precious data out of scrapyard parts, is not usually the best approach.
And if there is no other way, you can never have enough backup in order to be on the safe side...
the typical bell curve
new may have an early failure too.
gently used may be in for a long life.
cheap junk prone to bad caps etc should be avoided. [new or used]

new or used, it is all in the selection

this [near new then] box I tested with a different processor, was a gamer cast-off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcfeRPWCBWM
seem to work fine but would not reliably pass a memory test. different memory same results.
it had lock ups under heavy gaming. that processor went to a new mobo without the troubles.
still trouble with the different processor and different memory, it was relegated to non critical browser use.
there it can have the infrequent crash
and I wonder about the power supply

a used i5 and more ram has it running well win 10 or Ubuntu but it would not load 7,
and an otherwise good [power hungry] video card crashed it.
other wise good with , win 10, g force 210, 8gb RAM; I still would not use it for a NAS
4 thread 3300 Mhz Intel i3, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 7.823 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free 9.1.0.1 rev 573 [88 watts, 48 Mbps]
2 thread 1600 Mhz atom/ion, 1 TB ZFS mirror, available RAM 3.083 Gb, 64 bit NAS4Free-9.1.0.1 rev 573 [27 watts, 35 Mbps]
2 thread 3900 Mhz AMD A6-6400K, 2 TB ZFS Mirror, available RAM 7.557 Gb, 64 bit Nas4Free 9.3.0.2.1771 [89 watts, 68 Mbps]

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