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Budget is tight so, I will just re-use some parts I have got lying around, HDDs for example ;)
2x320GB WD Caviar Blue + 640GB Samsung (for backup):
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I said tight, so there it is my budget mobo Biostar A68I-350 Deluxe with just 2GB RAM:
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The case Zalman ZM-T2 (not ideal for NAS, as it has only got 2x3.5" HDD mounting points, but with a bit of DIY will take more and it only costs £18 delivered):
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The case is small, but the mobo even smaller!
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Fans which were lying around:
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Nearly everything installed:
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Replacement APU fan:
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Fan after installation:
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Double sided tape is your friend...
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Still waiting for Cooler Master Elite 500W PSU...

And the twist...
Final plan is to water cool it, so here is the part list:
Alphacool NexXxos ST30 120mm
Heatkiller 3.0 Universal Chipset Waterblock
DDC pump from Bmaverick
Alphacool 100ml cylinder reservoir
EK Acetal Top for the pump
2x Corsair SP120 Quiet Edition
Various fittings and about 1m of tubing.
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Re: Little NAS Viggen Red with a twist :)

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chrisf4lc0n wrote: Still waiting for Cooler Master Elite 500W PSU...

And the twist...
Final plan is to water cool it, so here is the part list:
Alphacool NexXxos ST30 120mm
Heatkiller 3.0 Universal Chipset Waterblock
DDC pump from Bmaverick
Alphacool 100ml cylinder reservoir
EK Acetal Top for the pump
2x Corsair SP120 Quiet Edition
Various fittings and about 1m of tubing.
Hi,
I have a mobo based on amd zacate E-350 too. Watercooling will be overkill, my complete box
only uses 16WAC from the mains idle, so almost no heat is produced.
I a casing as large as yours, with a decent heatsink, it might even work with passive cooling.
These apu's have as little as 18W TDP.
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jandegr wrote: Hi,
I have a mobo based on amd zacate E-350 too. Watercooling will be overkill, my complete box
only uses 16WAC from the mains idle, so almost no heat is produced.
I a casing as large as yours, with a decent heatsink, it might even work with passive cooling.
These apu's have as little as 18W TDP.
regards,
Jan
Hmm in that case I will focus on adding more RAM/Disks and creating better airflow...
Will install 2x Scythe Kaze Jyuni 500RPM on top and will look around for quiet 92mm fan for the exhaust...
So far this is my setup:
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Just added 8GB of RAM and hmm... It has not made a lot of difference, even after editing loader.conf file and setting higher values, but mind that I only have got 2x320GB ZFS Mirror Partition, it may however come handy once I install more drives.
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OEM SATA II with JMB363 controller up and running...
It cost me less than 15 quid delivered from China!
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So now I am running:
mirror-0: 2x320GB Caviar Blue
mirror-1: 320GB Fujitsu and 500GB Samsung SpinPoint

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pool: ZFS_RAID
 state: ONLINE
  scan: none requested
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        ZFS_RAID    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada0    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada2    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada3    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada4    ONLINE       0     0     0
I know it is not ideal to mix different size disks in the same mirrored pool, but that is what I have got... Will eventually grow the pool to 4x500GB to have usable 1TB :)
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Just a quick update on the build...
1. I ordered new case Coolermaster Elite 310 with 7 drive bays!
2. I will put some noise cancelling foam into it.
3. Just won on eBay 80GB Intel SSD for 30 quid!
4. Oh and I changed the setup of the disks to 2x320GB and 2x500GB with 2TB backup HDD :)
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30 quid SSD :)
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This is how my system look like now:
Disks:

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<SAMSUNG HD502HI 1AG01118>         at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (ada0,pass0)
<ST3500630AS 3.AFM>                at scbus1 target 0 lun 0 (ada1,pass1)
<INTEL SSDSA2M080G2GC 2CV102HD>    at scbus3 target 0 lun 0 (ada2,pass2)
<WDC WD3200AAKS-22B3A0 01.03A01>   at scbus4 target 0 lun 0 (ada3,pass3)
<WDC WD3200AAKS-00V1A0 05.01D05>   at scbus5 target 0 lun 0 (ada4,pass4)
<JetFlash Transcend 8GB 1.00>      at scbus10 target 0 lun 0 (pass5,da0)
That gives me a pool containing:
2x320GB Mirror
2x500GB Mirror
80GB SSD Cache

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pool: ZFS_RAID
 state: ONLINE
  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h5m with 0 errors on Thu Jun 20 09:44:19 2013
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        ZFS_RAID    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada0    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada1    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada3    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada4    ONLINE       0     0     0
        cache
          ada2      ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors
All of which with 4kb sectors, giving me solid 90mb/s read/write. Funny enough that adding SSD cache did not bring my reads up, just the writes, it could be that the SSD had not been fully populated yet!

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The whole system is built around BIOSTAR Group A68I-350 DELUXE with OEM JMicron 4 ports SATA2 controller and Cooler Master Elite 500 PSU with Scythe Mini Kaze 40mm, Scythe Gentle Typhoon 120mm 800RPM and Scythe Slip Stream 120mm 500 RPM fans in Cooler MAster Elite 310 case damped with 2kg of sound deadening material...
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My NAS will undergo a major rebuild, as my main PC packed up (the CPU) I have got a spare mobo, so here is the work plan:
1. Ditch the Biostar mobo and the Chinese JMicron controller.
2. Install Gigabyte Z77X-D3H.
3. Decide what CPU to install, preferably low power Pentium G620T or just G620.
4. Add another 2 drives to the pool as more SATA ports will be available :)

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Re: Little NAS Viggen Red with a twist :)

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The G620T does not consume less power in idle than the G620.

but the G620 has more headroom for cpu intensive work.

but you cant buy either of those anymore.

what about an ivy bridge version like the G1610?
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b0ssman wrote:The G620T does not consume less power in idle than the G620.

but the G620 has more headroom for cpu intensive work.

but you cant buy either of those anymore.

what about an ivy bridge version like the G1610?
You can buy both G620 and G620T on eBay for around 30 quid :)
I would prefer to have them instead of G1610 as they have got more L3 cache :)
I also could not see any energy consumption charts for the G1610... :(
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I have found some info on G1610 power consumption thanks for pointing me into the right direction b0ssman... I have just ordered G1610 :)
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also consider this chart.

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/mid_range_cpus.html

G620 @ 2,262
G1610 @ 2,585
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Here it is b0ssman:
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And all together in the case:
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The results after testing:
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The CPU makes a big difference on a "little" E-350 I maxed 90Mb/s now it does not drop below 110Mb/s!
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now for the interesting numbres:

what is the power consumption?
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b0ssman wrote:now for the interesting numbres:

what is the power consumption?
I am yet to test that, I just need to get my hands on one of those plug into a socket power consumption meteres.
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i have just done some power management tweaking, put both cores into c2 state that is the deepest this celeron supports, allowed the system to throttle down to 200mhz and replaced the intel drivers with vesa... once i get my hands on the power meter i will post some comparison
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Here we go, another 2 drives added giving me 1.23TB :)
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nas4free: ~ # zpool status
  pool: ZFS_RAID
 state: ONLINE
  scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h41m with 0 errors on Fri Aug 23 12:50:44 2013
config:

        NAME        STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        ZFS_RAID    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-0  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada1    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada2    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-1  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada3    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada4    ONLINE       0     0     0
          mirror-2  ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada5    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ada6    ONLINE       0     0     0
        cache
          ada0      ONLINE       0     0     0

errors: No known data errors
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OK, I have put my hands on in socket energy consumption meter... and it is floating 80W all the time, weird thing is that it sits there all the time, when idling or under full load?!
I still think it is not too bad with with 6 HDDs and 1 SSD...
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did you enable power management? i think i have mine set to adaptive.
also do your drives spin down?

my server is using 50W while idle with all disc spun down. but i also have an m 1015 which is using 17 watt.
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b0ssman wrote:did you enable power management? i think i have mine set to adaptive.
also do your drives spin down?

my server is using 50W while idle with all disc spun down. but i also have an m 1015 which is using 17 watt.
I have set the Power Management to Adaptive as well as I put both cores into C2 state in sysctl, which is the deepest this Celeron supports. The disks are set to spin down after 120min, but they rarely do that as I am seeding 24/7...
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I suppose that is where it should be... on the average it seems to be around 9W per disk, times 6 =~54W just for the HDDs plus the SSD, 3 fans, Intel NIC and obviously the CPU...
I reckon that 80W with all the disks at work and CPU fairly busy is just fine?
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yes with all discs spinning my server takes about 100W
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It may sound weird, but I know how to reduce the power consumption by adding one more drive... I have spare 2TB Barracuda lying around, so I will get it connected format it to UFS and set the Transmission to download directly there, that way the ZFS pool will have time to spin down and only 1 disk will be working 24/7 :)
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i went a similar way.

i build a download server which is on 24/7 that uses low power hardware (celeron 847, pico psu, 2.5 laptop drive).
this system is using 13W while idle.

when i need the other data or need to move a chuck off, i power up my nas4free server.
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By installing 2.5" 120GB Fujitsu drive and setting all the downloads to go to that drive I managed to reduce the power consumption to 52W, that is 28W lower than with all disks spinning! I can live with that I think :)
Edit: To reduce it even further I am thinking about setting the seedbox up on Raspberry Pi instead, but that may work the other way round, as I want to still run my N4F server 24/7 and by spinning all the drives down I can maybe achieve 50W at idle plus another 5W for the Pi and around 10W for the external HDD..., a bit pointless!
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52W still seems a bit high. but it might be your power supply. since that isnt even an 80+ one.
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b0ssman wrote:52W still seems a bit high. but it might be your power supply. since that isnt even an 80+ one.
Hmm... The reviews were rather promising... Good call, will look around for something more efficient. I do not know if it is worth it tho, as I could probably knock max 10W off running on Bronze 80+ one... With the electricity price in my area I would need to run my N4F for 5 years 24/7 to save enough money for it...
Thanks for all your help b0ssman!
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ok. but if you do you will need to look for a psu that is efficient in the 10% area. most psu are not and dont get tested in that area.

a good review site for power supplies is
http://www.jonnyguru.com/
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True b0ssman, the Cooler Master I have got was showing 80+ with the power draw over 180W, but I am nowhere close to that figure and I do not want to be :)
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