rtorrent+rutorrent in n4f

[ChriZathens]

I believe that if we could have rtorrent + rutorrent in nas4free it would be great!
I use them in my home seedbox and seriously, transmission seems like a joke compared to them.
I guess they can be installed manually ( at least you could do it in freenas but it was not easy, so I believe it is the same for n4f...) but if we could have them as a service like transmission is now, it would be awesome!
What do you guys think?
Do you believe it could be done???

[Babovand]

+1, replace transmission, its a good downloader, but a very crappy uploader, I often use private trackers for downloading warez, Transmission rarely connects to alot of peers for seeding.

[kernow]

+1, replace transmission, its a good downloader, but a very crappy uploader, I often use private trackers for downloading warez, Transmission rarely connects to alot of peers for seeding.

omg warez

[lux]

-1

transmission works very good...! there's no reason for replace...!

i don't like warez!

[ChriZathens]

FYI my request has nothing to do with warez.
It is just because you can do nearly everything with rtorrent+rutorrent
Automatic downloading/moving of downloads, scheduling, automatic speed setting etc etc, just to begin with it.
Really, those who have used it can tell all about its superiority...
AFAIK, 99% of paid seedboxes use rtorrent, this says it all...

[zakroma]

Just install deluge?

[ChriZathens]

Just install deluge?

??????
If I wanted to install deluge I would have done it (I have, actually, in the past but did not impress me at all )
The point here is not whether I will/can install a different bt software in N4F (as posted i am already using rtorrent+rutorrent)
The point is if we can have them as an existent service in N4F like transmission is ATM...
If you prefer deluge, then you can request it. And if the developers have time to fulfill any of the requests, then perhaps you will be the lucky one..

[sacii]

-1.

At its core, NAS4Free is software to manage a NAS, a server that provides access to files for other systems. If every niche group's pet application that is not necessary to the running of a NAS is added to basic services by the developers, then NAS4Free ceases to be different from any other workstation operating system (except that it will have one big ass bloated web gui). You might as well just install some version of unix, linux or windows. A bittorrent client is just not necessary for NAS4Free, that includes transmission as well as rtorrent. Additionally (just to show what a zealot I am), newsgroup binary downloaders should not be part of NAS4Free's basic services either.

However, users should feel free to customize NAS4Free to meet their individual needs; and as ChriZathens noted, there are ways to do just that. The FreeBSD package system (pkg_add -r) can easily add applications to full installs of NAS4Free. The FreeBSD package system can also be used to add applications to embedded installs of NAS4Free, albeit more work is involved (BSD jails, UnionFS, etc). In addition, installing python-based applications, such as sabnzbd+ and sickbeard, from source code is very easy as well. (I have sabnzbd+ and sickbeard installed on my NAS, thus the zealot comment above). Finally, many applications available to be installed to FreeBSD systems have web front ends to contol the applications from a workstation.

[zakroma]

So maybe what we're talking all about is not just "I want app A or app B built-in", but some kind of a built-in repository where we can choose what apps to install and what not. And so this repository has a web-ui, it's a point-and-click solution for users who want additional extensions but don't want to mess (or don't know even how to) with all the shell stuff.

[Babovand]

-1.

At its core, NAS4Free is software to manage a NAS, a server that provides access to files for other systems. If every niche group's pet application that is not necessary to the running of a NAS is added to basic services by the developers, then NAS4Free ceases to be different from any other workstation operating system (except that it will have one big ass bloated web gui). You might as well just install some version of unix, linux or windows. A bittorrent client is just not necessary for NAS4Free, that includes transmission as well as rtorrent. Additionally (just to show what a zealot I am), newsgroup binary downloaders should not be part of NAS4Free's basic services either.

However, users should feel free to customize NAS4Free to meet their individual needs; and as ChriZathens noted, there are ways to do just that. The FreeBSD package system (pkg_add -r) can easily add applications to full installs of NAS4Free. The FreeBSD package system can also be used to add applications to embedded installs of NAS4Free, albeit more work is involved (BSD jails, UnionFS, etc). In addition, installing python-based applications, such as sabnzbd+ and sickbeard, from source code is very easy as well. (I have sabnzbd+ and sickbeard installed on my NAS, thus the zealot comment above). Finally, many applications available to be installed to FreeBSD systems have web front ends to contol the applications from a workstation.

Totally agree, but as you may know, these basic services such as transmission, if its turned off, it will have no impact on the system or performance, the only impact i can see is a little more space is used. No one forces you to enable these "bloated" stuff if N4F decides that it want 6 FTP clients, 4 torrent clients and 10 diffrent *sql-servers.

For a home user, like me, I would like to have everything on the same place, OpenVPN, NAS, Torrents. I see no reason why i should have multiple computers for each "purpose" when one machine can do it all without any problems. I see no reason why my overclocked intel i7 performance computer should be on just for downloading stuff.

omg warez

-1

transmission works very good...! there's no reason for replace...!

i don't like warez!

You guys serious? at least im honest and say what Iam using transmission for, and of course I dont use transmission only for warez, but one of the main reasons yes.

[ChriZathens]

Well, that was exactly my point... Have it and don't enable it if you don't like it..
And since this is right now the case with transmission, I see no reason why - if devs feel like doing it - there is not a proper torrent application like rtorrent (or like zakroma said, deluge) to use.
Those who don't want to have bittorent, leave it disabled ( the only impact may be about 5-10 MB more space for the image), and those who want to use bittorent, at least they will have a really good software to use. And they will be able to do so only by checking "enable".

I also like zakroma's idea of ports... If there was an "official" repository for n4f ports/addons/plugins (you name it), that work just by installing them without any more hassle by the user, it would be great. But I don't know what will happen in case of O/S upgrade.

[lux]

i assume freeNAS 8 have plugin-system... pls go, Test & use this...

btw. did you guys know how many Dev's our NAS4free Project have??? no??

i can tell you: 2 (in Word's TWO) - so i assume they didn't spend their spare Time for add-on's nobody need...!

someone want these - someone want that... - someone want VPN Client, someone want Printer Function... someone want rtorrent... and so on...

so there's no room for that & no time...

let NAS4free as it is - don't blow it up

if you want more function? - nobody hold you back to split another fork of NAS4free with your plugin-system's or VPN/Printer/rtorrent... and so on

so you Guys don't know how many time it need's to change something in NAS4free - our Dev's should use their spare Time to upgrade underlaying BSD (support new Hardware) and fixes Problems - not add more Problems with new unneeded Proggy's

[ChriZathens]

I agree with you... there are only two devs...
But nobody is forcing or demanding anything here...
It is just a feature request / an idea for something...
And who knows, someone from the devs may decide that they like it and, possibly, one day decide to implement it...

[sacii]

So maybe what we're talking all about is not just "I want app A or app B built-in", but some kind of a built-in repository where we can choose what apps to install and what not. And so this repository has a web-ui, it's a point-and-click solution for users who want additional extensions but don't want to mess (or don't know even how to) with all the shell stuff.

But, nobody will think their pet application should be excluded from the repository. Therefore, the only way to make everybody happy is to task the unpaid developers of NAS4Free with creating the perfect custom web front-end for every application.

[lux]

It is just a feature request / an idea for something...
And who knows, someone from the devs may decide that they like it and, possibly, one day decide to implement it...

i agree! but some requests are very strange...

good luck, that any of the Dev's have time for it!

[sacii]

... the only impact i can see is a little more space is used. No one forces you to enable these "bloated" stuff if N4F decides that it want 6 FTP clients, 4 torrent clients and 10 diffrent *sql-servers.

Space is not the point. Unpaid developer time spent building web front-ends for applications is the point. For every application that exists, there will be at least one person who thinks it should be added to NAS4Free for them.

... For a home user, like me, I would like to have everything on the same place, OpenVPN, NAS, Torrents. I see no reason why i should have multiple computers for each "purpose" when one machine can do it all without any problems. ...

Nowhere did I suggest multiple computers. As I stated, I customized my NAS4Free server to run sabnzbd+ and sickbeard. I think users (old dogs and young dogs alike) should view their individual customizations as a learning opportunity rather than expect unpaid developers to do the work. There are people in the forum that are willing to help.

[Babovand]

Space is not the point. Unpaid developer time spent building web front-ends for applications is the point. For every application that exists, there will be at least one person who thinks it should be added to NAS4Free for them.

Like Transmission, the web front-ends for rtorrent/rutorrent have already been built, basically, all there is to do is to edit the transmission service page (inside N4F web-gui) to match rutorrent configs and settings, and thats not that hard or so much work, maybe I will do this myself if i manage to compile N4F......which I have not
http://code.google.com/p/rutorrent/

Nowhere did I suggest multiple computers. As I stated, I customized my NAS4Free server to run sabnzbd+ and sickbeard. I think users (old dogs and young dogs alike) should view their individual customizations as a learning opportunity rather than expect unpaid developers to do the work. There are people in the forum that are willing to help.

No where did i say you did, but what other options is there?

[loozhengyuan]

+1 to this suggestion.

[zoon01]

At this stage are there no plans to replace transmission nor will we add a second bittorent client into NAS4Free.
Transmission does his job perfectly for 99% of our users.

Regards,
zoon01

[jamaroney]

I think users (old dogs and young dogs alike) should view their individual customizations as a learning opportunity rather than expect unpaid developers to do the work.

Amen!!